These people are right! Disproportionate wealth. Where does that come from? Oh, that's right, you get it from going to work, taking risks with investments and saving money. Are those bad things? Should hard working people have to share their success with those that may be lazy or afraid to take risks? BTW, I can't make it to Sunday's sign carrying affair, I have to work.

what a bunch of misguided fools

I hope that they have a life,although I doubt it .I guess they don't have to do any weekend chores,because they can do them during the week,while the rest of us are out working to make some cash.
Monti

I'm always completely disheartened and saddened by the callous, immature, bitter remarks about fellow citizens, who - whether you agree with them or not - have a right and the privilege of living in a "Free" country that allows peaceful protest and different political opinions. How un-American it is to call them names, berate them and make baseless, insulting assumptions about the protesters. Nice job. Glad we live in America, where apathy is seen as a badge of courage and protesting wrongs is seen as being a loser and a jobless bum...

Dissidents are your true patriots! I forget who said that. The idea of protest and that our society is not quite right has virtue, but what is considered to be fairness. Problem is, what many of these protesters want is entitlement. I am understanding the resentment of those who do work and are the "haves" while the "havenots" seem to be against a "system", the capitalism that made this country great. The result of this is only class warfare and separatism. When I see a photo with only six people, What are they occupying? And Mattie, I agree with you regards the critical comments about anyone who speaks out and stands up for what they believe....most don't and isnt that the cause of many of our, all our, problems?

Honk if you're tired of reading/hearing about Occupy this, that and the other thing

Move to France if you don't like it

Here we go again, with the quasi-intellectuals calling people names, not knowing one iota of truth about the individuals. Real smart. huh.

I guess the Star Trek convention got cancelled...

I heard a rumor that "Ketchup" would be in town this week to sign autographs!

I'm just throwing this out there, but protesting in a vacant park in a business district that only has business Monday thru Friday doesn't seem like the best soap box in which to spread your message. Personally saying,
showing up at areas of real "commerce" i.e. Hooper ave around the mall, might send a better message to the general public, but I guess this is what you get from hippies who would rather play hackey sack instead of achieve a real goal or attempt to plan.

Occupy Wall Street people are true American patriots and deserve all our support.
The Wall Street wankers and banksters have bankrupted the United States of America.
Communist China holds America's mortgage.

Enough is enough! Wake Up, People!

Corporate greed you bet......but these people are forgetting the biggest greed of all.........government greed. That's right folks, government greed has brought down so many civilizations and it breeds tyranny..........morals is the answer not government.

The government is just a middleman.

The government redistributes wealth from the workers to the ultrarich corporations.

Taxes are used to pay for contracts to subsidize the giant corporations.

losers

99% of your comments are right! These "occupy people" are misguided fools who don't work, don't take risks, don't save money and want hand outs from the government. How dare these 18% of people try and represent the 99% when the other 82% of the 99% which is 81.18% disagree with them. I do agree that this is a free country and people can protest whatever they want, but don't say you are the 99% when the whole 99% doesn't agree with you.

So the 1000s of people in Oakland, NY, LA, Orlando, Boston, Philly, DC, and other major cities around the U.S are "misguided fools". Holy crap that must mean 99% of our country is misguided. So only the 1% no whats right! Yet, the 99% take cuts in pay and benfits but the 1% takes nothing....sure really fair.

This is still America. People died so we ALL could have freedoms of speech, peaceful gatherings, etc. Nasty name calling never solved any problems. Look at the Congress and Senate. They are the best (worst) examples of mud-slingers who accomplish nothing. This forum seems to revert to an elementary school playground instead of a center for information and an intelligent exchange of opinions. Don't forget to vote today. It's one privilege we can all agree on.

I'll give credit where credit is due...at least this "occupy" bunch isn't sleeping in their own urine, stealing each others laptops, denying food to the homeless, vandalizing businesses, shutting down ports, raping anyone, or pushing old ladies down any stairs.

I'm sorry.you're right.
Hold this up to a mirror
LLEH

You are not welcome here. Go soil New York with the rest of the pinkos.

Join Ocean County Citizens for Freedom based in Toms River. Find them on the web. They believe in a limited government that follows our constitution. All political parties welcome.

Too many Franks on here lol. Just so you know i'm Frank 1, the original Frank, not the most recent Frank. Anyway, my final thought on this is, is regardless of what party you are, what you believe, I do believe that anyone has the right to protest anything they want. That's why this is a FREE country. However, the OWS group is losing credibility everyday and what is the whole point of the protest. No one in the government or corporations give a crap or feel any pressure. What's the point of living in tents, not working, and being a menace to society with no outcome coming out from it. It's a useless protest.

Frank-1 The point is it call attention to a deeply rooted problem in The System. They aren't refusing to go to work just so they can live in tents; they can live in those tents and protest 24/7 because THEY CAN'T FIND WORK. Millions of people out of work in the US, Frank-1, we all know that, don't we? Isn't that one of the points the protesters are making?
Too many people in this country out of work, poor, desperate, and not because they want to be or are simply too lazy. This is the result of our economy spiraling down the drain for a full DECADE or more, the result of outsourcing, not manufacturing anything and exporting anymore, it's not something that happened yesterday. You're right, maybe right now the politicians and the government in general aren't taking it seriously, but if it keeps up long enough, maybe they will.
That's the point, in my eyes, anyway. No protest is "useless" if it gets attention and gets people thinking and talking.

Mattie- you are right, no protest is useless in the beginning, but they r losing more and more credibility and it's becoming useless and a big joke between everybody. Plus I don't want to hear that people can't find work, that's BS. The problem is people think they are worth more than they are. I know firsthand as I own a business, I have many job openings for sales, and noone wants to hustle for their money. Problem is these people, they take mortgages they can't afford, don't take jobs cause its below them or doesn't pay what they want, and expect the government to support them until they do. The "American dream" is possible by working hard and not being a lazy .... Also, how does wanting to tax corporations open jobs, it's going to cause more unemployment.

Frank, you have openings in Sales..? i am interested in learning more about this potential career opportunity..
and i'm all for a persons right to protest, but from what i have heard from the mouth's of the actual protest people.... they should really move their tents to washington dc.. i say that because FACT, besides VOTING, the only other thing they can do to Change is Lobby our President to pick up a pen....

i fear they will get nothing done besides violence and partying.. which i have seen alot of that already.. i prefer to EARN my money and i dont expect the government to pay my healthy care bills or my cable bill... you can still " Make It In America" 2day..- it is just Hard.. but then again anything worth money or happieness is usually not E Z.

I agree with "occupy" anywhere. I work my arse off as does my husband. I have not made it to Occupy Huddy Park because I am working yet another Saturday instead of being home with my children. We pay our taxes, feed our family, pay medical insurance and ridiculously high car insurance. And struggle every month to make our bills and mortgage payment. We have not gone on even a weekend away with our family in 4 years and our children do a minimal in activities because everything is so expensive. We make a good income and have been told we are still within the poverty level. All I have ever wanted was affordable dental care for my family. Not Free affordable. And a college education that my children could afford. Not too much to ask in the most industrialized nation in the world. The rich get richer and the average working stiff suffers. FYI we are both college educated and in this economy it does not mean bubkus.

Veterans of the banksters' wars in Asia and Africa are returning to America to find out that the money wasted on those wars have bankrupted the United States and have all but eliminated their chances of finding a decent job.

Honor veterans by ending the wars and the occupations of other countries. Wars are to make the rich richer. Governments terrorize their own people in order to drum up support for wars to increase corporate profits.

Occupy America and Pray for Peace.

Frank where are all the open sales positions you have? People here are looking for jobs. You have said the same thing for months about lazy people not wanting to work for you well here you go. I personally have responded to you several times and you have never replied to me. ???

As of 8:47am on 11/11/11, there are 110 jobs available in Toms River alone:
http://www.careerbuilder.com/Jobseeker/Jobs/JobResults.aspx?IPath=QHCMGM&sc_cmp1=js_navg_ncn&ncn=%22Toms+River%22&APath=2.21.21.0.0&ff=21&excrit=freeLoc%3dToms+River%2c+NJ+08755%3bQID%3dA6658273754721%3bst%3dA%3buse%3dALL%3bTID%3d0%3bCTY%3d08755%3bSID%3dNJ%3bZID%3d08755%3bCID%3dUS%3bENR%3dNO%3bDTP%3dDRNS%3bYDI%3dYES%3bIND%3dALL%3bPDQ%3dAll%3bPDQ%3dAll%3bPAYL%3d0%3bPAYH%3dGT120%3bPOY%3dNO%3bETD%3dALL%3bRE%3dALL%3bMGT%3dDC%3bSUP%3dDC%3bFRE%3d30%3bCHL%3dAL%3bQS%3dSID_UNKNOWN%3bSS%3dNO%3bTITL%3d0%3bOB%3d-modifiedint%3bRAD%3d30%3bJQT%3dRAD%3bJDV%3dFalse%3bExpHigh%3dGT50%3bExpLow%3d0%3bMaxLowExp%3d-1%3bNSN%3d%22NJ%22

Karen, first of all you asked me once, I don't see a whole bunch of times. Second, I work and work hard, I can only respond when I have few minutes to post on here. I am a busy person. If your husband is interested in sales, he can call our offices at 866-804-2070.
Rick, it's only hard to make it in America if you don't hustle, anyone can do it with smarts, dedication, and hard work. I left a great paying job in 2009 to start my business, people thought I was crazy to leave it in such a harsh economy. Did I in turn take handouts from the govt? Never. I invested my savings and my time and hard work and our company is where it is at today because of that.
Also, I never ever sai people don't have the right to protest. People can protest that they want the sky a different color if they want. I'm just saying, how long do you protest for, when there is more ridicule and jokes coming out of it then actual stuff getting done.

Thanks Frank for the response I will.

Mattie-you're wrong. The 8.5% unemployment is the national average, most of the unemployment is down south US. Also, 110 jobs in just Toms
River is not bad. Plus, most people in toms river dont work in toms river. Just look at our commuter parking, all of them are packed with cars. Also, that's the problem with the society these days. People think they are worth more than they really are. I rather have a min wage job than be on welfare or unemployment and get handouts from the govt. Mattie- that's not a great way of thinking!

National unemployment stat is/was 9.5, and Toms River runs -historically- about a full percentage point behind the national average.
That's why I used "approximately 8.5%". And as for people from TR working outside TR, the same is true about people outside TR with jobs IN Toms River... so that's a wash. I looked at the website BN posted, there are 110 jobs listed in TR, that's true. However most are more than 10 days old (up to 30 days) and how many are filled already? Don't know.
35 of the 110 jobs are in the medical / health care field. One is either qualified or not. A good number of these jobs are listed as "entry level" which, in reality, means many people out of work who are a little older, will be deemed "over qualified". Some of the jobs listed are part time. Some of the jobs listed are "Holiday season" jobs in retail. So taking all that into account, there isn't much out there for someone who has a home and family to support and needs to make more than 20k a year.
After one works hard and long and then finds themselves out of work, they are not taking "handouts". They paid into unemployment. As for Welfare, that's tax money we all pay as well. I don't begrudge anyone living on welfare the crappy poverty-level existence they have. There but for the grace of God..... right?

If you want to get specifics, lets use your figure of 8.5% of unemployment and the 97,000 people in toms river. You, that's 8,245 that are unemployed in Toms River. Now based on Career Builder 110 jobs, the 110 jobs listed by Monster, the 110 jobs listed on Craigslist, the 110 jobs listed in the newspaper, and the 110 jobs listed in lets say 10 other mediums. that 1650 open jobs. Now lets say that half these jobs are all listed in the ALL the mediums and a percentage are listed in a few and not the others. So lets say there's 1000 open jobs. Now lets say there is also another 1000 jobs that aren't listed, they are just open minimum wage jobs, such as retail workers, dish washers, night crews, etc. Thats about 2000 jobs open in toms river. Now lets spread that out to open jobs in all the surrounding towns, because people who live in toms river dont have to work in toms river. But, lets factor out the fact that other towns are in the same situation, meaning that people in toms river HAVE to work in toms river. So out of the 8245 people unemployed, there is about 2000 jobs open, that can lower the unemployment rate from 8.5 percent by at least 2 percent to 6.5 percent if people would take a job that they think is "beneath them" or they are too good for "holiday season" jobs. You can live off 20k a year, if you dont live above your means, which people do. Thats the problem today, people think they are worth more and think they deserve luxuries and not work for them.

Now, lets take one of the demands of the Occupy Wall street, to tax the corporations more than they are taxed now. Lets say an average person makes 40,000 a year, he pays on average 10-13,000 of taxes on the pay. So that person takes home about 27,000-30,000 a year. An average of about 25-30% in taxees. The corporation that employs him, what does it cost them? Well they pay some of his retirement, taxes on that person, they pay into unemployment, etc. Lets say it costs the corporationg about 60,000 to have that person on staff. Now lets say a business make 300,000 a year, they can hire 4 people plus pay the owner the same salary as the other 4 employees. Now lets say, we raise taxes on corporations, so now it costs the company 75,000 to employ a person because of higher taxes, now the company is still making 300,000 a year, what do they do, lay off the 4th person. Now that person goes on unemployment. I know this first hand cause I employ people. It costs me to employ 3 part time employees at $10/hr, close to $300 a week to employ them and they see about $140.00 of that. The rest of it goes into fed & state taxes, unemployment, family leave ins, etc etc. And thats not including all the other money I have to spend on accountants, payroll, workmans comp, liability, it goes on and on and on. Now if I didnt pay so much into taxes, I can hire more people, correct?

FYI, Toms River's population is 91,239 per the 2010 Census. And please tell me how you live on 20k a year? Single, in a dump apartment, riding a bike to work locally, no health insurance, and maybe a night out on the town once a month...dinner at Denny's and a movie. So were not talking about the unemployed family man with two kids and a mortgage that just lost his "average person makes 40,000 a year" job

Mattie-since you googled my 1800 number and found my website, you will also see my address on their. Even though our hours are 9-5 M-W, myself or my business partner is there from 8-8 daily, unless we are in our NYC office. You are 110% welcome to stop by my office and see my financials. I will show you that 1. Myself or my business partner are not greedy and that we do make the same if not less than our employees. 2. We have a turn over rate on sales people cause they don't hustle, since my business partner hustle we do most of the sales 3. I pay more in taxes than our salaries combined 4. We turned a business into a successful business in 3 years in the worst economy ever, and I'm a bad business man....really Mattie. Like i said your more than welcome to come by and validate all this. Also anyone else on here is welcome too.

So maybe the OWSer's should, one of their demands should be that of a "living wage" last time I saw that was $16.75 an hour. That's $ 35k a year! So Frank, at $20k a year that's a $9.62 a hour

Mattie-once again you are 100% more than welcome to come to my office and look at our whole operation and see exactly how we run and what we pay for. I would love for you to come by. Are you not man or woman enough to do that? You site behind a computer and talk a lot of game but that's it. You don't know my living situation, you don't know my business situation. Who says our office in new york is some lavish $10000 a month rent place? Yea it's an office in NYC, but isn't it a possibility that we have a barter contract with a client for office space? Also, you assume a lot of things, and you assume that my employees are people over 40 who have families and mortgages, absolutely not. They are interns who just graduated college and are lucky to have a job to pay their college debt. Do I expect them to make a career out this...no. But once again, you wouldnt know that unless you came to my office. Also, I'm talking about sales people for one. We pay a minimum $15,000 a year plus a high commission on all our products. If you hustle you can make upwards to $60,000 a year. It's possible because my business partner and I sales alone are enough to support that commission. But noone wants to do it. How come myself and my business partner, who are not sales people, can do a better job than a person with experience? Also, I tried to pay a full time $45,000 salary for sales, they sucked, they never went out, didn't hustle, and the company threw money out the window.

But once again, be a man or woman and come to my office and look at our operation before you make assumptions. And realize how much of our hard earned money goes into programs that give handouts to people. I promise you I will show you every dollar and where the money goes. Unless your a business owner, you wouldnt don't understand and I will make it 100% clear to you.

Let's protest the protesters this Sunday, These misguided souls are real go getters spending one day a week in a vacant park, To me these are people who just want their ego massaged and their names in the paper this is their 15 minutes

Couldn't resist! Its The Frank and Mattie show! Its the OTP protesters. Frank and Mattie "Occupying The Patch" with their protest of each other. Geez!

First, I believe I gave some correction to some incorrect information, correct statistics, one of you gave ...which was incorrect. Second I asked Frank a question regards a statement he made about living on $20k. I took a little jab at your ongoing diatribe / debate seeming to have no conclusion, as you admitted "last post for me on this" ..and as I do appreciate both of your opinions, but its getting old and personal. And "YOU'RE adding some intelligence to the conversation....you"re right! not to YOU'RE conversation (?) ,but then again, I thought this was about OWS That's it! Sorry!

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