86 years old?

No Summons..sounds like the fire trucks fault to me.

I think you are right. Why didn't the fire truck yield to the other cars. It's not the elderly driver's fault she could not see the lights, hear the sirens and forgot to pull over to the right. I hope you never have a fire. But if you do, I'm sure you will forgive the fire department for not getting there fast, because we don't want them rushing, right?

old soldier, 1st of all you weren't there, as l was in one of the vehicles...The fire truck rode the bumper of the white Toyota...The driver was tryin to get out of the way... so keep your war story to yourself.. if anyone knows that area of Hooper Ave on any night. The congestion is terrible. Maybe just one of the drivers in the other lane would have let the driver in...Case closed no accident...it doesn't always mean the fire trucks or police vehicles are always in the right ?? PS just like bus drivers

There is no war story to this. I have no axe to grind with anyone involved. I did choose to use sarcasm to respond to another who simply posts guilt to someone even though they may not have all the facts themselves. I am sure the investigators will properly determine right and wrong. When we are driving, and hear sirens and see lights of emergency vehicles, we all have a duty to slow down and yield. Since you witnessed the incident, I hope you not only informed the investigators, but perhaps you could use your experience from this to describe what happens when we all do not do the right thing, rather than ammunition to chastise me.

Guess we need to buy another fire truck. Our Tax $$$ at work in District 1.

Hey did they save the foundation at the fire they were going to at least?

We need a Paid Fire Department for a Town this Big!!!

News flash old soldier....emergency vehicles do not have the right to break the law when responding. They may as we have all seen, but if there is an accident then they are held liable for it.

Red lights and sirens do not give the operator immunity from any prosecution what so ever. Besides, if they wreck out before they get there then they will help no one.

It was the elderly persons fault. The right hand lane legally is for passing only. That holds true for any road or highway with two lanes... so if a cop wanted to give you a ticket for driving in the left hand lane without moving into the right hand lane after passing a slower moving vehicle the ticket would be valid everytime....

The fire truck has the right of way if it has it's lights and sirens u have to pull over its a state law and u people need to stop baching the fire company if they want paid your taxs will go up to pay for them to man the sta and they were doing the speed limit that y we have sirens on the truck if u don't now the hole story don't say anything

To WMS826 - While you are not the only one, this is yet another example of what I beleive is wrong with people's thinking. A person walks against a light or "don't walk" sign, gets hit by a car, do you say its the driver's fault because the pedestrian always has the right of way? I just don't understand your reasoning when it comes to this. You want to say the firemen is wrong for rear ending the driver? Fine, then the driver should be wrong for not yielding. Perhaps yet another law forbiding the use of the left most lane except for emergency vehicles? Where do you want this absurdity to end? We need to give our emergency workers the right of way when they are going to an emergency - period. Remember, it could be yours or my loved ones they are rushing to save.

Title 39:4-91 section B states the driver of any emergency vehicle is held responsible for his actions should he cause and accident. Look it fire foamers.

As for you old soldier...yes..it is always about who is wrong and who is right. That's what keeps us from getting sued and out of jail. Perhaps you would like to remove blame from our society as you sound like a Liberal kool aid drinker. Removal of blame is the removal of the rule of law which keeps our country together. Otherwise we are South Africa and Somalia.

When there are emergency lights behind you, rule of thumb is to "GET THE HECK OUT OF THE WAY"

86 year old....come on. She shouldn't be on the road in the first place!

maybe a drug test or a breathalyzer should have been given.

You people are all age racists and should be ashamed of yourselves. You need more re-education.

Yes, get the heck out of the way, but still the emergency vehicle operator is responsible to operate in a safe manner. He is not immune from any laws or liability because he was responding to another false CO2 alarm.

Any competent first responder knows that people cannot hear you today with well insulated, sound proof cabins on modern vehicles, along with cell phones and headphones not to mention sound systems. In this case it was an elderly woman who does not have the reaction time and speed. The fire truck driver was a volly who we know nothing about, but if he fits the mold of fire guys I am certain he is no rocket scientist.

Fire Foamers unite...Have the laws changed so that when the red lights and sirens are on no one can disturb your pleasuring session.

For me it is unclear if one party was completely at fault. Both parties may be partially at fault. The investigators may or may not get it right. If bias is shown, it is usually towards the police; the 1st responders; the politician; or the politically connected. All emergency responders need to balance the safety of people on the road with the speed of response time for the given emergency. This is why police have modified the "rules of engagement" for a hot pursuit (so as not to unneccessarily endanger the driving public.

Andy, by virtue of what you just said no one could get anything right. Which means everyone in a motor vehicle accident should be summonsed.

Someone is to blame in every instance. If there is no blame then let's all drink up and drive, if we kill someone then nothing should happen to us. It amazes me that so many people on these boards are so wishy washy with making a decision.

WMS, they were responding to a general alarm for a confermed working fire not a co alarm, and only fire officers get toned for co alarms not the fire company

You people have no idea how much your volunteer fire departments do for there people, you over look the fact they don't get paid, they get up in the middle of the night to leave their families to help people they don't know and don't know if they will be coming back home to their families if something goes wrong, accidents happen don't put the fire department down because of an accident, they do more for the town than you people realize

I agree with you, but my simple one sentence comment of blaming the fire truck operator has lead to all this.

If he is to blame the so be it.

Are you not amazed that people on here still do not believe an investigations results. Does it answer the question why guilty people are found innocent and walk like the mother in Florida who murdered her young daughter and is now a rock star on the talk circuit soon to release a book.

My point exactly, their are more important things going on in this town, state and world than a fire truck getting into a minor accident, very very ungrateful and ignorant people on here

Perhaps patch is wrong to even report it.

The elections are not secret, just no one cares enough to vote in them during this month of Febuary.

Perhaps patch should publish these in their paper.

When is the Feb. fire election? Patch, tell us this year's secret Saturday -- and how much more tax the vols want from us. Thanks. PS - Why isn't isn't it combined with the Nov. election, as school voting was?

No, I am not wishy washy about making a decision. I like to make informed decisions. I am not going to claim to know all the facts of an accident by reading an article and some posts. It amazes me that some people are so quick to put forth their opinion and judgement without knowing all the facts.

Wishy washy Andy,..the cops did an investigation. If the woman was wrong she would have been summonsed that day at the scene. There is no evidence to send to the lab, no mathmatical formulas to complete. Obviously the Volly fire guy was not summonsed however....why.

If the woman was at fault I gaurantee you all the volly fire guys would be screaming wholly terror about how they put their lives on the line for us and this woman almost killed them yada yada....

They would not tolerate her being given a break.

"the incident is currently being investigated by Traffic Safety Officer Brian Doyle. It was unclear if any summonses were issued immediately following the accident"-which is cut and pasted from the article contradicts your statements. But hey, why let the facts get in the way of YOUR opinions!

Simple fender bender...what they say is code for people like you who buy into it. There is nothing more to investigate beyond the statements and evidence at the scene. Again, there is no CSI trying to recreate the scene and their opinion is formed already. Freedom of information act would allows the report...perhaps patch should get it.

How come the age of the 86 year old driver was mentioned, but not the age of the reckless driver of the fire truck?

Good point. It creates doubt as to what happened. As you can see above all the sheep who fought me on this bit into phony baloney.

wms826 sounds a lot like poster william hammski same propaganda