Occupy Toms River Continues in Huddy Park

BN November 9, 2011 at 04:56 pm

Man found dead in Occupy New Orleans encampment
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/11/man_found_dead_in_occupy_new_o.html Occupy Wall Street tackles crime in protest camp http://online.wsj.com/article/AP4ef2a04f0cba48ffb6bab5c27a599ea7.html Its not just a few people here and there...its rampant.

Rick Molinia November 9, 2011 at 05:18 pm

Frank, you have openings in Sales..? i am interested in learning more about this potential career opportunity..
and i'm all for a persons right to protest, but from what i have heard from the mouth's of the actual protest people.... they should really move their tents to washington dc.. i say that because FACT, besides VOTING, the only other thing they can do to Change is Lobby our President to pick up a pen.... i fear they will get nothing done besides violence and partying.. which i have seen alot of that already.. i prefer to EARN my money and i dont expect the government to pay my healthy care bills or my cable bill... you can still " Make It In America" 2day..- it is just Hard.. but then again anything worth money or happieness is usually not E Z.

BRA November 9, 2011 at 06:48 pm

Just as they have a right to protest - others here, have the right to call them names, berate and belittle them - all because we DO live in a country that protects free speech.
Let's talk about the real issue - waste in our government. Favoritism of companies and persons who can afford to donate copious amounts of money to political parties and campaigns. This happens in both Republican and Democrat parties and as long as we allow the same 'Good-ol-boys' to keep runnig the show - it will continue to haunt us. We don't need to change our country. We don't need to change our laws. Lord knows we don't need any more laws. We just need to change those people who have taken advantage of their positions at the cost to all tax payers.

Karen Nisivoccia-Campbell November 10, 2011 at 01:23 pm

I agree with "occupy" anywhere. I work my arse off as does my husband. I have not made it to Occupy Huddy Park because I am working yet another Saturday instead of being home with my children. We pay our taxes, feed our family, pay medical insurance and ridiculously high car insurance. And struggle every month to make our bills and mortgage payment. We have not gone on even a weekend away with our family in 4 years and our children do a minimal in activities because everything is so expensive. We make a good income and have been told we are still within the poverty level. All I have ever wanted was affordable dental care for my family. Not Free affordable. And a college education that my children could afford. Not too much to ask in the most industrialized nation in the world. The rich get richer and the average working stiff suffers. FYI we are both college educated and in this economy it does not mean bubkus.

Bobby Donofrio November 11, 2011 at 08:57 am

Wow....I can't believe it's the seven dwarfs in that picture....somebody tell Snow White we found them :-)

Sean Conneamhe November 11, 2011 at 11:56 am

Veterans of the banksters' wars in Asia and Africa are returning to America to find out that the money wasted on those wars have bankrupted the United States and have all but eliminated their chances of finding a decent job.
Honor veterans by ending the wars and the occupations of other countries. Wars are to make the rich richer. Governments terrorize their own people in order to drum up support for wars to increase corporate profits. Occupy America and Pray for Peace.

Karen Ann Campbell November 11, 2011 at 01:22 pm

Do you know how many times he has said the same thing? How many times I have told him my husband is a salesman with almost 30 years experience and a hustler and he never responds to me....ever.

Karen Ann Campbell November 11, 2011 at 01:24 pm

Frank where are all the open sales positions you have? People here are looking for jobs. You have said the same thing for months about lazy people not wanting to work for you well here you go. I personally have responded to you several times and you have never replied to me. ???

BN November 11, 2011 at 01:48 pm

As of 8:47am on 11/11/11, there are 110 jobs available in Toms River alone:
http://www.careerbuilder.com/Jobseeker/Jobs/JobResults.aspx?IPath=QHCMGM&sc_cmp1=js_navg_ncn&ncn=%22Toms+River%22&APath=2.21.21.0.0&ff=21&excrit=freeLoc%3dToms+River%2c+NJ+08755%3bQID%3dA6658273754721%3bst%3dA%3buse%3dALL%3bTID%3d0%3bCTY%3d08755%3bSID%3dNJ%3bZID%3d08755%3bCID%3dUS%3bENR%3dNO%3bDTP%3dDRNS%3bYDI%3dYES%3bIND%3dALL%3bPDQ%3dAll%3bPDQ%3dAll%3bPAYL%3d0%3bPAYH%3dGT120%3bPOY%3dNO%3bETD%3dALL%3bRE%3dALL%3bMGT%3dDC%3bSUP%3dDC%3bFRE%3d30%3bCHL%3dAL%3bQS%3dSID_UNKNOWN%3bSS%3dNO%3bTITL%3d0%3bOB%3d-modifiedint%3bRAD%3d30%3bJQT%3dRAD%3bJDV%3dFalse%3bExpHigh%3dGT50%3bExpLow%3d0%3bMaxLowExp%3d-1%3bNSN%3d%22NJ%22

Frank November 11, 2011 at 01:56 pm

Karen, first of all you asked me once, I don't see a whole bunch of times. Second, I work and work hard, I can only respond when I have few minutes to post on here. I am a busy person. If your husband is interested in sales, he can call our offices at 866-804-2070.
Rick, it's only hard to make it in America if you don't hustle, anyone can do it with smarts, dedication, and hard work. I left a great paying job in 2009 to start my business, people thought I was crazy to leave it in such a harsh economy. Did I in turn take handouts from the govt? Never. I invested my savings and my time and hard work and our company is where it is at today because of that. Also, I never ever sai people don't have the right to protest. People can protest that they want the sky a different color if they want. I'm just saying, how long do you protest for, when there is more ridicule and jokes coming out of it then actual stuff getting done.

Karen Ann Campbell November 11, 2011 at 01:58 pm

Thanks Frank for the response I will.

Mattie November 11, 2011 at 02:19 pm

Based on 2010 stats; approximate population of Toms River: 97,000 --
and the approximate 8.5% unemployment works out to about 8,000 people unemployed in Toms River alone. 110 jobs is nothing. And how many of those jobs are minimum wage crap jobs that disqualify people for (more) unemployment, or any other assistance they may be getting? Talk about how many "jobs" are out there is cheap- living in the real world, isn't.

Frank November 11, 2011 at 02:38 pm

Mattie-you're wrong. The 8.5% unemployment is the national average, most of the unemployment is down south US. Also, 110 jobs in just Toms
River is not bad. Plus, most people in toms river dont work in toms river. Just look at our commuter parking, all of them are packed with cars. Also, that's the problem with the society these days. People think they are worth more than they really are. I rather have a min wage job than be on welfare or unemployment and get handouts from the govt. Mattie- that's not a great way of thinking!

Mattie November 11, 2011 at 02:55 pm

National unemployment stat is/was 9.5, and Toms River runs -historically- about a full percentage point behind the national average.
That's why I used "approximately 8.5%". And as for people from TR working outside TR, the same is true about people outside TR with jobs IN Toms River... so that's a wash. I looked at the website BN posted, there are 110 jobs listed in TR, that's true. However most are more than 10 days old (up to 30 days) and how many are filled already? Don't know. 35 of the 110 jobs are in the medical / health care field. One is either qualified or not. A good number of these jobs are listed as "entry level" which, in reality, means many people out of work who are a little older, will be deemed "over qualified". Some of the jobs listed are part time. Some of the jobs listed are "Holiday season" jobs in retail. So taking all that into account, there isn't much out there for someone who has a home and family to support and needs to make more than 20k a year. After one works hard and long and then finds themselves out of work, they are not taking "handouts". They paid into unemployment. As for Welfare, that's tax money we all pay as well. I don't begrudge anyone living on welfare the crappy poverty-level existence they have. There but for the grace of God..... right?

Frank November 11, 2011 at 08:34 pm

If you want to get specifics, lets use your figure of 8.5% of unemployment and the 97,000 people in toms river. You, that's 8,245 that are unemployed in Toms River. Now based on Career Builder 110 jobs, the 110 jobs listed by Monster, the 110 jobs listed on Craigslist, the 110 jobs listed in the newspaper, and the 110 jobs listed in lets say 10 other mediums. that 1650 open jobs. Now lets say that half these jobs are all listed in the ALL the mediums and a percentage are listed in a few and not the others. So lets say there's 1000 open jobs. Now lets say there is also another 1000 jobs that aren't listed, they are just open minimum wage jobs, such as retail workers, dish washers, night crews, etc. Thats about 2000 jobs open in toms river. Now lets spread that out to open jobs in all the surrounding towns, because people who live in toms river dont have to work in toms river. But, lets factor out the fact that other towns are in the same situation, meaning that people in toms river HAVE to work in toms river. So out of the 8245 people unemployed, there is about 2000 jobs open, that can lower the unemployment rate from 8.5 percent by at least 2 percent to 6.5 percent if people would take a job that they think is "beneath them" or they are too good for "holiday season" jobs. You can live off 20k a year, if you dont live above your means, which people do. Thats the problem today, people think they are worth more and think they deserve luxuries and not work for them.

Frank November 11, 2011 at 08:45 pm

Now, lets take one of the demands of the Occupy Wall street, to tax the corporations more than they are taxed now. Lets say an average person makes 40,000 a year, he pays on average 10-13,000 of taxes on the pay. So that person takes home about 27,000-30,000 a year. An average of about 25-30% in taxees. The corporation that employs him, what does it cost them? Well they pay some of his retirement, taxes on that person, they pay into unemployment, etc. Lets say it costs the corporationg about 60,000 to have that person on staff. Now lets say a business make 300,000 a year, they can hire 4 people plus pay the owner the same salary as the other 4 employees. Now lets say, we raise taxes on corporations, so now it costs the company 75,000 to employ a person because of higher taxes, now the company is still making 300,000 a year, what do they do, lay off the 4th person. Now that person goes on unemployment. I know this first hand cause I employ people. It costs me to employ 3 part time employees at $10/hr, close to $300 a week to employ them and they see about $140.00 of that. The rest of it goes into fed & state taxes, unemployment, family leave ins, etc etc. And thats not including all the other money I have to spend on accountants, payroll, workmans comp, liability, it goes on and on and on. Now if I didnt pay so much into taxes, I can hire more people, correct?

Mr. ? November 11, 2011 at 09:57 pm

FYI, Toms River's population is 91,239 per the 2010 Census. And please tell me how you live on 20k a year? Single, in a dump apartment, riding a bike to work locally, no health insurance, and maybe a night out on the town once a month...dinner at Denny's and a movie. So were not talking about the unemployed family man with two kids and a mortgage that just lost his "average person makes 40,000 a year" job

Mattie November 11, 2011 at 10:39 pm

We weren't talking about who works where, and how much they make, we were discussing the people who are *unemployed* at any given time in Toms River. Cut it any way you like, fudge the figures up or down a few points, the point is - there are many THOUSANDS of people unemployed and looking for work in TR today, and there are very few full time, decent paying jobs available.
When ONE position comes available and the employer spends 3 or 4 days interviewing 25-45 applicants- it's safe to assume times are tough in the job market. What's this thing about "too good" to take a seasonal job or a minimum wage job? That's YOUR perception of why most people don't take those jobs. Ever been turned down from a minimum wage/low wage position because you were "over qualified" Frank? Well I have been, more than once; so have many many others I know, too -- people desperate enough to take ANY job, at 5, 6 or 7 bucks an hour, and they were not chosen. Age and physical ability needs to be taken into account, also the hours the job requires. Not everyone out of work is 25 yrs old, in peak condition with no at-home responsibilities, either. It's not a black and white world Frank. And honestly, I don't care to hear a business owner whine about HIS costs to employ people. Work on your own if you feel it's so unfair to hire others and pay them a decent wage. Because in the end, you're making a 'decent living', or you wouldn't still be in business, would you?

Mattie November 11, 2011 at 11:34 pm

First of all, that's NOT one of the demands of OWS; more taxes for corporations.... they want NO LOOP HOLES and NO more government subsidies which in turn lets corporations (the biggest ones, yet) actually PAY little to no taxes. So you're wrong there. But anyway- on to another point of yours:
Show me a business owner who "makes the same" as his employees, and I'll show you a business owner with PARTNERS, not employees. Are you expecting me to believe you pay part time workers 10 bucks pr hour, and lets say they work 32 hrs per week grossing "a whopping" $320 a week, (which is LESS THAN 17,000 a yr!) minus all their taxes and BS that comes out of their pay, and that's the SAME as you get?? Come on, Frank. If that's true, you're a terrible business man and you'd be better off working at Home Depot for $10 an hour- So, you employ - what? Three people? (I saw your website, you list your company as having 2-4 employees) at part time hours, for 10 bucks an hour, and think you're doing them all a huge favor, right? I can see why you have so much resentment and think all unemployed people are just lazy and "too good" for honest work. You just want slave labor with no taxes or costs... then you'd feel like it was fair, wouldn't you?

Frank November 11, 2011 at 11:49 pm

Mattie-since you googled my 1800 number and found my website, you will also see my address on their. Even though our hours are 9-5 M-W, myself or my business partner is there from 8-8 daily, unless we are in our NYC office. You are 110% welcome to stop by my office and see my financials. I will show you that 1. Myself or my business partner are not greedy and that we do make the same if not less than our employees. 2. We have a turn over rate on sales people cause they don't hustle, since my business partner hustle we do most of the sales 3. I pay more in taxes than our salaries combined 4. We turned a business into a successful business in 3 years in the worst economy ever, and I'm a bad business man....really Mattie. Like i said your more than welcome to come by and validate all this. Also anyone else on here is welcome too.

Mr. ? November 11, 2011 at 11:59 pm

So maybe the OWSer's should, one of their demands should be that of a "living wage" last time I saw that was $16.75 an hour. That's $ 35k a year! So Frank, at $20k a year that's a $9.62 a hour

Mattie November 12, 2011 at 01:02 pm

Last post from me on this, I know I shouldn't, but I feel compelled to let you know that I'm not buying your script:
Frank, you employ 3 people: M - W = 24 hrs a week / @ $10 per hr = $240 (gross!) per week. Wow. And you say you have a high turn over because "They just don't want to hustle". No, Frank, it's because no one can survive on $200 a week net these days - unless they are living in Mommy and Daddy's basement, ride a bike and have no bills or responsibilities. Or maybe your job is one of those desperate, (I'll-take-ANY-job!) job for them Frank, and I believe YOU think that's exactly what unemployed people should do, no? And yet, you expect them to "hustle", huh? Of course you do, because you have a p*ss poor attitude about your workers. You claim you make the same -or less- as your employees; OK, maybe after you cook the books, make all your "business owner deductions" utilize all your personal assets and even your mortgage as "Home office & business expenses" etc, you are SHOWING a small, insignificant income when all is said and done. Right. And yet you have a "NYC office" as well? Oh my. A business owner who can only bring home $1000 a month, and yet maintains a NYC office and employs three other people. Something (about your story) doesn't add up. But you keep trashing the protesters, Frank, you keep spreading your personal story about how tough it is for YOU as a business owner. I'm sure lots of people will buy it. But not me.

Frank November 12, 2011 at 01:47 pm

Mattie-once again you are 100% more than welcome to come to my office and look at our whole operation and see exactly how we run and what we pay for. I would love for you to come by. Are you not man or woman enough to do that? You site behind a computer and talk a lot of game but that's it. You don't know my living situation, you don't know my business situation. Who says our office in new york is some lavish $10000 a month rent place? Yea it's an office in NYC, but isn't it a possibility that we have a barter contract with a client for office space? Also, you assume a lot of things, and you assume that my employees are people over 40 who have families and mortgages, absolutely not. They are interns who just graduated college and are lucky to have a job to pay their college debt. Do I expect them to make a career out this...no. But once again, you wouldnt know that unless you came to my office. Also, I'm talking about sales people for one. We pay a minimum $15,000 a year plus a high commission on all our products. If you hustle you can make upwards to $60,000 a year. It's possible because my business partner and I sales alone are enough to support that commission. But noone wants to do it. How come myself and my business partner, who are not sales people, can do a better job than a person with experience? Also, I tried to pay a full time $45,000 salary for sales, they sucked, they never went out, didn't hustle, and the company threw money out the window.

Frank November 12, 2011 at 01:48 pm

But once again, be a man or woman and come to my office and look at our operation before you make assumptions. And realize how much of our hard earned money goes into programs that give handouts to people. I promise you I will show you every dollar and where the money goes. Unless your a business owner, you wouldnt don't understand and I will make it 100% clear to you.

Randal Graves November 12, 2011 at 01:56 pm

Let's protest the protesters this Sunday, These misguided souls are real go getters spending one day a week in a vacant park, To me these are people who just want their ego massaged and their names in the paper this is their 15 minutes

Mr. ? November 12, 2011 at 02:22 pm

Couldn't resist! Its The Frank and Mattie show! Its the OTP protesters. Frank and Mattie "Occupying The Patch" with their protest of each other. Geez!

BN November 12, 2011 at 03:07 pm

Based on 2010 stats: 23.3% under the age of 18 and 17.2% who were 65 years of age or older.

Mattie November 12, 2011 at 03:33 pm

We were having a conversation / debate over real issues, Mr ?, and explaining our positions. No name calling, no disrespect, no hysteria.
However, as I said, I'm done with that conversation; but I'd like to ask you; YOU'RE adding some sort of intelligence to the conversation.... How?

Mr. ? November 12, 2011 at 03:56 pm

First, I believe I gave some correction to some incorrect information, correct statistics, one of you gave ...which was incorrect. Second I asked Frank a question regards a statement he made about living on $20k. I took a little jab at your ongoing diatribe / debate seeming to have no conclusion, as you admitted "last post for me on this" ..and as I do appreciate both of your opinions, but its getting old and personal. And "YOU'RE adding some intelligence to the conversation....you"re right! not to YOU'RE conversation (?) ,but then again, I thought this was about OWS That's it! Sorry!

CR November 23, 2011 at 09:14 pm

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