Toms River Plans for $30 Million in Emergency Sandy Spending

Ken November 16, 2012 at 02:58 am

Is this $30M coming from the federal government or is it coming for Toms River tax payers?

Mr. ? November 16, 2012 at 03:37 am

If its coming from the TR taxpayers its time to abandon your homes and leave the state. Oh wait, that has been happening all along! Remember the State of Emergency declaration that allows municipalities to exceed the 2% cap! Hmm, does TR have flood insurance? Maybe Obama wont give this Republican TR town much federal aid - bad politics and sarcasm? Between home insurance increases, TR municipal property taxes, NJ state debt and, and Obama new taxes, JCPL and other utility rate increases, just imagine what we will have to pay! Just the loss in ratables on the barrier island properties alone will increase the tax rate incredibly, and some one has to pay that tab - guess who? Time to leave Toms River unless you want indoor tennis. Right mayor and council?...sorry! Almost forgot, we can just borrow and bond more - the 1.3 million for beach replenishment! And what happened to the million dollars of sand from the million dollars used 2 years ago?

Tom Cooper November 16, 2012 at 04:26 am

What a bunch of cold hearted cynics. If you represent the residents who lost their homes you don't deserve a penny.
But I don't think that you represent anyone except a bunch off cold hearted losers.

. November 16, 2012 at 04:31 am

Apparently none of them has lost their home. Maybe they would like to trade places with someone that did! I was lucky and still have my home, but anyone that lost their homes and all of their belongings deserves every penny that they get. Their lives will never be whole again.

Chief Wahoo November 16, 2012 at 04:42 am

i will glad pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today

Tom Cooper November 16, 2012 at 04:46 am

I agree. The people who lost their homes must still be in shock. I feel so sorry for them. What I can't stand are the jerks and cynics posting such ugly remarks.
When I was young just after my mother died we were poor and lived in a basement apartment. It flooded every rain. All of our belongings were destroyed. I still get a pit in my stomach thinking about how hard it is for the residents. I apologize for even considering that real residents could have posted. I'm severely disabled otherwise I would pitch in to cleanup. Any suggestions of where I can donate and what is needed the most, outside of money. Not to get political but you are very fortunate that this President believes that govt can help. Therefore he rebuilt FEMA and fought to keep their funding while the Republicans cut away at it. Get use to global climate change and more extreme weather.

Mr. ? November 16, 2012 at 05:15 am

Hey Tom Copper and . , just a reality check and the truth and facts. And who is being cold hearted? No one is denying the residents of the barrier island the total loss they have suffered and what they will deserve to rebuild - at least not me. You lost the whole point. Cynical yes! when you can rationalize what is happening here in Toms River and this state and this country...cynical yes. And "cold hearted losers" you have no idea and only show your ignorance. The "losers" may be ALL the residents in this town who cant pay their taxes now. More taxes local, state and federal - debt both personal and government, does no work when there is NO more money. Credit does not work and continued spending in difficult economic times does not work. No, I have not lost my home from this tragic storm and don't want to lose it from foreclosure like so many families are! ...and I am not only blaming TR, but that is the topic right? a 30 mil appropriation? Hope and pray this all works out for everyone!

Tom Cooper November 16, 2012 at 05:28 am

Continued spending, called fiscal stimulation, absolutely works. But we can't do that while wasting over a trillion dollars on two needless wars that we we knew we'd lose.
And we CAN revamp the tax system to make it more equitable for 98+% of the population. Besides we had to start rebuilding our infrastructure so let's get moving. With the jobs created it will boost the economy. It's a win win.

Mr. ? November 16, 2012 at 05:32 am

...and Tom "jerks" now? And now I understand, calling those who have different opinions ( "ugly comments" ) than yours "cold hearted jerks" and in your words "not to get political" but you did and showed your cards...coming from a bleeding heart liberal? Yikes! Sorry Tom. Chief, can I get two burgers and maybe pay next Tuesday or the Tuesday after that?

Mr. ? November 16, 2012 at 06:03 am

Sorry I have not used the reply tab. This is going to be fun Tom. Fiscal stimulation and continued spending works? Not in my household budget and government spending and new taxes to support it ? From whom? Only the rich? you dont believe that do you? Talked to my accountant today who summarized my new taxes for next year at $2700 more federally, "Obamanized" and that's before property taxes and increased utility costs. Now if wages don't increase and inflation causes me to need more dollars needed to pay these costs, what happens if you don't have that money? Borrow and more debt that cant be paid personally. More taxes on the Feds credit card paid by you and me. Problem is, it ends up with you and me and rich and disappearing middle class that become poorer and cant pay. So who pays? Revamped tax system I will agree. Time for a graduated fair tax. A gallon of gas costs everyone the same price, its all relative. But your not being political hear right? A "what if " I am sure TR will get much of this 30 million in federal and state aid, but what if it does not receive enough assistance and this becomes a tradgic taxable event? and you just don.t have the money to pay? Bottom line!

Missing Brick November 16, 2012 at 08:04 am

Do you have your power back? How long was it out. I am creating a petition to sign to show JCP&L that Brick residents are tired of paying top dollar for bottom rung service and treatment.
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/jcpl_sandyreparations/

Luz Nieves November 16, 2012 at 10:42 am

Mr. ?
You are an educated person who understands how Toms River politics and government operate. You are absolutely right! Residents of Toms River will have increased costs across the board with no increase in income or other resources to support the increased costs. Yes, we will see foreclosure after foreclosure in our community just as it is so apparent in so many other communities.

Tony D November 16, 2012 at 12:07 pm

Spot on Mr Cooper lets hope the folks who voted for Romeny decide to not take a dime from fema send back their SS checks and find their own health care other then medicare

Tony D November 16, 2012 at 12:10 pm

Funny you whiners are worried about "you " had no problem taking the barrier island tax money didja for services not render

Tony D November 16, 2012 at 12:18 pm

Hey Tom
I bet you voted for Romney and the Ocean County republicons you know the 3 pension 83 yr old Sheriff? you know the republicon TR tc who raises taxes every yr to pay for the friends and family plan Romney the man who top republicons said didnt have a plan and wouldnt tellya what tax loopholes he would close and Tom since your not in the top 1 % your taxes are not going up 2700 But id love to hear how youd pay for the 2 unfunded wars medicare part d plus the interest and ya do know about what Colin Powell said about Iraq by the way I loved the Katrina video with Bush and Brownie Dont forget the OCUA and the 13 Commissioners who get 5 k and FREE MEDICAL BENEFITS

Tom Cooper November 16, 2012 at 12:25 pm

Tony D You're nuts. Of course I did NOT vote Romney. Read my comments and that much is clear.

Johnjcpa November 16, 2012 at 01:04 pm

It's pretty obvious that many people here never take the trouble to actually attend a council meeting. How much the town will wind up paying and how much will be paid by FEMA hasn't been determined. But the destroyed homes still have to be removed and roads rebuilt. And that applies to other areas, not just the barrier island.
Thinking that there won't be consequences isn't realistic, it was a major disaster. If you are convinced that the present administration isn't performing well, then get involved and maybe the opposition party will come up with candidates next time.

Tony D November 16, 2012 at 01:29 pm

Tom
my Bad I meant Mr ? sorry the same whiners who took the tax ortleys tax monies for yrs dont forget the republicons who failed to stop Christie transition team member mikey sing baby sing ritacco How much did that cost the ppl of TR?

Tony D November 16, 2012 at 01:30 pm

yeah because who else John not my cpa could raise taxes like the tr /oc republicons
too many folks still think its WW2

wookfish November 16, 2012 at 01:53 pm

i'm sorry you're "severely disabled" and you surely don't want to get "shoved" off of that cliff...but opinions are like Aholes..everyone has one

take_the_power_back November 16, 2012 at 03:49 pm

Oh don't you worry tony "d", I wont take a dime from fema, SS wont be around by the time I can collect it and I've been paying for my own healthcare for years.
The least i could do is hold up my end of the bargain because as an obama supporter, I know you will hold up your end of hoping for change (again), all while living off of govt handouts that are funded by me.

Donna Griffin November 16, 2012 at 03:57 pm

No worries, Mr. ? New Jerseyans re-elected increased taxes a few weeks back. We are clearly not taxed enough (insert sarcasm here). Honestly, it is events like this that warrant increased spending, but we've wasted so much tax revenue on nonsense over the years that when we really do need the money, we're supposed to take solace in the fact that for the last 3 years our money has gone to increasing food stamp entitlements, extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks and funding failed solar energy companies. Apparently, that type of spending is OK with the vast majority of New Jerseyans. I don't get it.

Donna Griffin November 16, 2012 at 05:04 pm

Mr. ? - I do not think anyone is denying that this catastrophe is EXACTLY the reason governments exist. National defense is another facet of the importance of strong government. What is NOT the government's responsibility is funding a company the likes of Solyndra to the tune of 1/2 a billion dollars for no other purpose than to have the money re-enter the election process via a back door. Do you not think that 1/2 billion dollars might not be helpful right here right now? It's wasteful spending, it's nepotism and quite frankly in my eyes it is criminal and tragic. And this is what we Americans voted for YET AGAIN...

Donna Griffin November 16, 2012 at 05:08 pm

Mr. ? - I didn't mean to be so harsh and I have a sense we're on the same "team" but my blood boils when folks are OK with "their guy" wasting tax dollars and now that we legitimately need those federal monies....they want to blame Bush?!?! The arguments are laughable and a testament to the dumbing down of our electorate.

Jeff November 17, 2012 at 05:29 am

Here’s an idea why doesn’t government create an environment where business owners aren’t scared to death of the next regulation that will bring us close to bankruptcy. Imposing requirements that cause us to have pay “fees’, to purchase un-needed items or modify our buildings. How about making businesses not fill out mounds of paperwork that even they can’t tell us why we are doing or maybe answer the damn phone when we try and figure out what the heck the latest regulation is. (Sorry about the rant) If government gets out of the way and business owners or potential business owner believe there government is not working against them the economy will change. When there is a belief that the deck is not staked against the business owner and potential business owners will break free with their money and take risk. Then we will begin to see real lasting recovery not stimulus. Stimulus is just throwing other people’s money around and waiting to see if it lasts and that all the “infrastructure” projects really are. We do get pretty sign smother roads but we are just hoping when the project is done that the money keeps flowing in the area

Jeff November 17, 2012 at 05:31 am

Part 1
Lets address this great idea that infrastructure spending stimulates the economy. Here’s what happens certain people in the construction trades reap great rewards for a short time, mainly union workers. Then it trickles, down supplies are needed for a short time, businesses locally to the area see some increase temporarily and some other temporary benefits occurs regional. No great economic boom but there is a temporary regional stimulus. So have you picked up on the word temporary? Once the project is finished the stimulus is over, the project produces no lasting revenue or retables. Often residents and small business owners are in worse shape, properties are reassessed and taxes go up and the increased business that the local deli goes away. You can argue that new road increase access to areas so better access is obtained bringing in more customers but that’s not what’s happening. We are resurfacing the same roads, putting up camera networks and signs that tell us the estimated time to the next exit. If we are going to stimulate anything it needs to be sustainable business growth that creates long term jobs that adds to the tax base.

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